Jiddu Krishnamurti Ponders His Enlightenment & Kundalini Awakening
Jiddu Krishnamurti and Kundalini
From: Krishnamurti’s Notebook
Author: Jiddu Krishnamurti
Chapter: Gstaad 23rd: Page 33
Published By: Krishnamurti Publications of America
In continuing to try to bring you some of the more uncommon teachings of Jiddu Krishnamurti – one of the more remarkable spiritual teacher’s of our modern era – I thought the following would be of interest to those passionate about enlightenment and Kundalini Awakening. The following are a list of “prerequisites” that Krishnamurti came up with when trying to determine why he had been blessed with his Kundalini Awakening and enlightenment experiences. He, of course, calls what he underwent “the process”, but from the perspective of Yoga, “the process” would be called a Kundalini Awakening. You can get more information on Jiddu Krishnamurti and his teachings at the Krishnamurti Foundation of America Website.
Here are Krishnamurti’s thoughts for perhaps why this took place in him in his own words…
“Why should all this happen to us? No explanation is good enough, though one can invent a dozen. But certain things are fairly clear.
- One must be wholly “indifferent” to its coming and going.
- There must be no desire to continue the experience or store it away in memory.
- There must be a certain physical sensitivity, a certain indifference to comfort.
- There must be a self-critical humorous approach.
- You can also add love to this list but it is beyond love.
- And you can add also a still, quiet brain.”
(5 and 6 he adds later in the page)
Krishnamurti also says, “It must come and you can never go after it. Do what you will.” So there you have it. His take on what he believes might have led to his enlightenment and Kundalini Awakening. To me this list can somewhat be summed up by the following 2 phrases. First, is what I call the first law of Tantra, “Whatever comes let it come, whatever goes let it go.” Which correlates to items 1, 2, 3 and 4 in Krishnamurti’s list above. Second, is the phrase, “All you can do is prepare the garden, the flower must bloom on its own.” Which correlates to items 5 and 6 of his list. If you can live by these 2 rules, remarkable dimensions will open up for you.
Hello,
Raised as a christian, and studying Buddhism I felt a great spirituality throughout my life. I started smoking cannabis and then decided to try mushrooms.One thing I have brought forth from that experience was that I learned I could never reach that state of mind again unless in a natural way or it would be artificial, and I realized it would take me time and effort to reach enlightenment or true understanding of myself. I agree that the hallucigenic state I was in gave me a very slight tast of what the mind or spirit was capable of.I have taken mushrooms several more times never reaching the same state of mind but never forgetting the truth I learned that first day. I have just recently given up alchohol, cannabis and hallucigens and think of them as a tool that helped me shy away from negative thinking and close-mindedness, but something that we should be cautious of clouding our minds as well.
Hi Donna,
Such openings and changes do happen to people from time to time. In some cases over time the new energy will slowly fade, while in others it can persist. In either case I suggest starting a long-term spiritual practice and consider what happened to you a blessing and an invitation from beyond.
All Good Wishes,
Anmol
Hi Amit,
Thanks for stopping by and giving that great resource on JK. I loved the selections you have on the website.
Best,
Anmol
I became very ill while in the bathroom and could barely make it to my chair. I closed my eyes and my head was filled with a very bright light and then I became unconscious. When I woke up everything seemed diferent and since then I have become an entirely different person. I feel like Christ or the Buddha are living through me. I am not able to get back to my old self. Now I have these waves of energy wash over me all the time and I rarely sleep more than 3 or 4 hrs a night. I am getting very tired in the body but I feel that Im on fire at the same tie. Any advice? Thanks for this website. You dont seem egotistical like some. Love and peace to u. Donna
Jiddu Krishnamurti was against following any Guru or Tradition and was not interested in Mind games of having getting enlightened or having satori.
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Well, I meant the chicken, not the kitchen. I need to meditate a little more.
I think you forgot the kitchen in the oven…
Hi As,
It is not unusual to see such light during meditation. Not sure what about it is alarming you? Let me know and I will offer my help.
Best,
Anmol
Hi,
I need help i felt a big light during my meditation .
Can u tell me wht is tht.
I did not know about the problems using the term marijuana. Sorry. From now on i will say cannabis.
You are right. We all have a lot of receptors for all the drugs used by shamans and neoshamans since thousand of years and even more for the not yet invented ones.
It is also true, that some people get experiences, which bring them on a spiritual path. Some may even think they saved some years of practicing.
I think this is just maya. Ones you had an overwhelming drug induced experience, you propably try to have it again whith or without drugs. Then you will focus on it, creating a desire for whatever experiences, which is definetly not leading towards enlightment, but holding you tightly in the grip of maya.
For me the real work is to get rid of the fun of playing mindgames and to get the space beyond the thoughts just with the techniques of yoga and meditation.
Sat Nam
Well there’s certainly a very strong dichotomy between those that use cannabis to forget about life, and those that use it to experience worlds that they had never perceived before. I had no intentions of advocating its daily use, i was just using it as an example of the spiritual consensus of a race of people striving to conquer maya in a dual existence.
Furthermore, the actions that are inspired by psychoactive substances are a greater bearing for how healthy a person’s use of such substances is. If after getting “high” do you do yoga and meditate or watch hours of tv eating potato chips. When one is inspired towards metaphysical practices and gifts, it has been a gift to them, and i would presume that these gifts were placed forth as such on these people’s paths, being the precursor to a more enlightened path continuing such practices.
Furthermore, the psychoactive chemicals that are ingested are only those that our body has receptors for, implying a biological predispotion towards their use.
on a side note, i would prefer if in further discussions you would refrain from use of the word marijuana as it is a derogatory term coined to raise anti-mexican sentiment by Harry J. Anslinger in 1937, the first drug czar, the epitome of bureaucracy and corruption and a known racist.
The term cannabis has the origins from Hebrew Kaneh Bosm, and the earliest known Hebrew writings are about the use of Cannabis. Hash oil a derivative of the Cannabis plant was also considered the miracle drug of the 19th century and had people been aware that Marijuana was Cannabis they would have been much more hesitant to demonize such a gift.
I appreciate your thought out response, and I look forward to continuing this discourse.
Hi Matt,
I think there is a lot of truth in your words. Mankind surely took an advantage of using drugs in a sacred space. On the other side you don’t have to be good in seeing peoples aura to recognise the grayish appearence of people smoking marihuana regularly. Most of these will definitely not grow in a spiritual way.
I think the use of drugs, a lot of pharmaceutical drugs included, can damage the aura and the magnetic field of a person. Sometimes permanent. So please be carefull, if you experiment.with it. You can reach all of the spiritual levels without taking anything.
I do advocate hallucinogenic drug use under the proper settings as well as mind set with a great deal of respect. They are not for everybody and should not be abused, but no one should condemn their usage without exploring why the history of man is so intertwined with such chemicals. The origins of spirituality and shamanism and mind expanding consciousness go hand in hand with drug use. The Navajo church’s use of peyote, Mexican indigenous use of Psycilocybe cubensis and the Amazonian shaman’s use of Ayahuasca are just a few of the many examples of indigenous cultures in touch with the origins of their societies spiritual path, drug use. The origin of all religion is no doubt from nature and experience of nature, plants that were given to man from god are a much more natural way of healing than chemicals extracted into pill form sold for hundreds of dollars a bottle. One could even make a case that the origins of all human cognitive ability could lie in hallucinogenic experience as Terence Mckenna has suggested. It is a sad sad world that engulfs the voodoo pharmacology of the 20th century without understanding the origins of human nature. Simply look up Soma on wikipedia to begin to understand the role chemical substances have played in modern religions. I meditated on and off for almost two years before reading a passage from an ancient toaist manual which stated something along the lines of “if one burns hemp in their incense burner and meditates they will achieve immortality” I smoked some cannabis, previously a sacrament in the Hindu church, and for the first time truly comprehended the void. I detached from my physical body and started meditating daily. The use of cannabis scientifically, reduces the state of brain waves as well as releasing all ocular pressure, and relaxing the diaphragm tremendously which has a profound effect on one’s breathing. A metaphysical outlook is an altered state of consciousness. In this world of programming manipulation and outright mind control, an altered state of consciousness is virtually impossible to comprehend or feel without first having been induced chemically. For those of you blessed to understand this without outside chemical use, you are blessed, but whose to say you couldn’t learn from drug use, we hold the key to our own destinies. From what I understand prior to the Indian Hemp Commission of the late 19th century, all Hindu’s used bhang. It was considered a sin to refuse it if it was offered and was common to use it everyday, while any use of alcohol was condemned. Man’s greatest spiritual mistake is believing that there is but one true path and the term short cut implies such. If anyone has any “proof” of how drug use damages the “astral body” I would love to read your opinions and disagreements. Thank you for reading my comments and for being you and may you swim in the bottomless oceans of love all around.
and i’d also like to seriously thank anmol for such an incredible website. I am blessed for discovering it.
Sat Nam,
may be you like to read this very interesting article about the long term effects of magic mushrooms from the British Association for Psychopharmacology:
http://jop.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/0269881108094300v1
To make it clear, too. I don’t want anybody to encourage to take drugs.
Hi Alex,
Yes absolutely, I hope I did not give the impression I am endorsing taking drugs :-D, because I absolutely do not. They can create all sorts of issues, subtle and gross.
My only point was that if you have done it and gotten a glimpse, then that’s the only possible benefit, as it can propel you to undertake the spiritual journey using natural methods of meditation/yoga etc.
I recall a very interesting study done recently using a certain mushroom, administered under a controlled environment, produced very interesting results both long term and short term in the participants. Again, not endorsing here, just sharing some interesting news. If I find that link, I will post it.
Thanks for your input.
Best,
Anmol
Hallucinogenic drugs should be avoided at all costs. Imagine this when taking them. Its like a 5 year old going to a university – you’re not ready for it and you’re not going to understand what happened.
They’re dangerous because they attack your astral body, and also because some people abuse it and think of it as a “spiritual advancement.” You can not take short cuts to advancing – just like a human being cannot become smarter without thinking. If you did it once, please do not do it again – they can have very harmful effects on your consciousness.
Hi Martin,
Detachment will certainly do the trick. Yes, the one value, if any, that can be tied to experimenting w/ drugs, is that it can give a glimpse of what possibilities lie beyond the ordinary mind, time, space and ego. Which can then lead one to join the path towards discovery (drug free of course).
Glad your journey has brought you here and thanks for adding your insights to the discussion.
Best,
Anmol
I went through a Kundalini Awakening when I was 19 years old and that was the catalyst behind the journey which I undertook and which has lead me to this website. I had no idea what had happened, but I felt great clarity and completeness inside. What was more remarkable was that after being an atheist all my life and having many perceptions shut off due to not believing in them, suddenly I did a complete 180, because this “process” like JK calls it clearly showed me clearly that there is something beyond the physical.
Once my perceptions opened like that it was like I’m connected to something more and I was having very deep revelations for about 3 days afterwards.
Looking for explanation to what had happened, I started looking into some New Age stuff, Christianity and many other teachings. I realized that the simple truths have been corrupted and made into mind control for the masses and that the only real path to take is the path of knowledge of self. This provoked my interest into Yoga, Qigong, Meditation and what not.
Naturally I did my own thinking as to why it had happened and tried to explain to myself somehow. I may be totally wrong, but I’m under the impression that what opened this door was
1) My total detachment from my environment – I had moved relatively recently from one continent to another and with that move my whole ego disintegrated and that was the first lesson for me that we are a lot more than our conditioning and layers and layers of things we identify with but really aren’t
2) Experimentation with hallucinogen – I had a 4th degree psychedelic trip in which I lost total connection with my body and the concept of time was no longer valid. I had no vision and I felt like I’m simply a mental entity and for what seemed like months I couldn’t feel myself even breathing. Later I realized only 6 hours had passed. That was a very important lesson about how large the role of perception is.
I think these 2 events were catalysts for my awakening, but I could be totally wrong.
Hi Vern,
Mastery of Meditation welcomes you. Thank you for providing your valuable feedback, specially as it has been gained through personal experience. Please do provide your other URL as well as I feel it would be of interest and value to the readers of this blog. Cheers, Anmol.
NICE. I agree with much of what JK says,and especially this – I’m glad you reviewed it here. It makes perfect sense to me because I’ve been saying the same thing for about 10 years. The “process” started in me before I cut it off with a concerted effort, having been scared out of my mind of losing the ego completely. I was not a Buddhist practitioner… just someone that read the SN Goenka book on Vipassana and took only the essence from it and left all the fluff.
After just around 11 months the process was literally taking over and coming as it wished. I neither wanted it to come, nor grasped at it once it came over me – it was just there, changing the ego – dissolving it really… I noticed during Vipassana that the best course of action to keep going forward was just to follow this simple advice.
Don’t want anything to happen. Don’t grasp at anything that is there. Watch the process, that’s all.
I didn’t insist the process follow different levels in some kind of heirarchy of jhana as the Buddhists suggest, or repeat any mantras or count breaths after the mind stopped. I simply watched what went on with a thought-less mind… and wow, it really took off on it’s own.
Anyway, I could write a book… I’ve written a little bit at my blog and a little bit more at another of my sites but I don’t want to crowd your blog full of URLS.
Great post! :) Vern